The Irish were endentured servants. Here is the thing though, when they hooked up with Africans to rebel, Bacons Rebellion, they struck a deal with the English colonists to become the slave patrols and plantation overseas. because of there race ? Jim Crow laws where formulated to keep Blacks in their place, not the Irish. My mother in law was called Shanks. Their original homeland was Monaghan, where their surname is still the most common. Thus, welcoming a new wave of dark-complexioned Irish people. Thank you. Also, there is one difference between White Indentured servants or slaves and Black slaves in a country where Blacks are legally considered property. http://library.law.umn.edu/irishlaw/subjectlist.html, And this documentary shows the conditions of life for Irish catholics during that time. In 1840 there were 196 Blake families living in Maine. The Essex Institute: Salem, 1912. The potato blight which destroyed the main source of sustenance turned the vital food black. Thank you for sharing the madness and anger that lives within my Irish family. While the Irish did not have it good they had much better circumstances than slaves. Maybe because the African names were too hard to pronounce. Does anyone have any further information regarding my family name? Full history, EXPLAINED. ack sure the English were only RAPEING women and children for 800 years talking are homes are lands hanging us for are religion we were slaves to the English for years ack and sure only 1 million people died of starvation watching there kids dieing one by one resorting to poor houses were you worked for food. Enter the time of the Irish Famine or genocide. So, f**ck the traitorous bastards. We respect your privacy and take protecting it seriously, How to plan a trip to Ireland (in 9 steps), Irish boy names that nobody can pronounce. White people can treat their own quite horribly, history tells. Famous Sheehans include bass guitarist Billy Sheehan and American writer Susan Sheehan. The most Blake families were found in USA in 1880. Well than do research and prove yourself right instead of arguing out of not knowing. Do you have any references from which I can further research this? There are many different races from different parts of the world, all with their own diverse history that share the same or similar skin colors. The mortality rate of enslaved Africans during the slave trade was so high that white planters had to replace entire popoulations of 30,000 plus people every 5-7 years. What Oliver Cromwell did in Ireland was a genocide. All this purity has got to go, and the truth come out!!! The name Gallagher is "O Gallchobhair" which translates as "foreign help." Family of three here by underground railroad. Black Irish (album), 2017 music album by American singer-songwriter Shannon McNally. If you have not already, you need to do some actual genealogical research on your family to see if you are indeed genetically Irish and if so, if that occurred due to your ancestors being enslaved by an Irish family or the Scots-Irish (they both come up on DNA tests as Irish). Another name, OGallchobhair, which is the Irish version of the popular name Gallagher, means foreign help. Not allowed to marry in Geirgia. The Counter-Revolution of 1776: slave resistance and the origins of the United States of America. And yes, it is as long as its title.Im still trying to wade through it. Great to hear the truth that MOST BRITISH dont want to hear COLM MAHER. You should be ashamed of yourself and I suspect that this is a troll site rather than a site ran by a person of African descent. That has not changed and the enslavement of the poor is as relevant today as it was at any other time in history. if you dont believe it, then so be it, I want to believe it because I know the lady very well, that shared another ladies work for us, be kind to one another, because the good book says we are all related, because of Adam and Eve. Top 100 Irish surnames 1. Both explanations for why blacks have Irish last names are only partially true. Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. I think there is lots of information here that people should know about. It might be better to compare them to certain tribes that were all but decimated out would it not? Im other words,. Was that what drove the slave trade in the last millenia? I dont care what race you are, if you want to commit crime be ready to do the time and stop crying that you got caught and the other criminals got away. O'Connell 26. In the cases of non-English origin, the surname is likely to be an Anglicisation. Maybe in a generalized way, but can never say for each individual. Get your heads out of your collective asses and out of all those others. The difference being, that African Americans are one of the oldests ethnic groups in America, and the majority of Irish being relatively new. The names and places may change however the game and the crimes remain the same. But I digress; apparently what Chloes real point is by this previous statement is that, when/if Whites talk about how a part of their race was oppressed and enslaved at one point in history that it somehow diminishes and lessens the Blacks slave history and only serves to to make Whites feel better about them-selves. Africans were *things*. Maybe wealthy Irish werent common, but they they did exist. OBrien has been a prominent surname in Ireland for centuries. Whats your point? Cole -- a short name that embodies a lot of richness and depth -- has long been associated with the great songwriter Cole Porter. From a real Irish person, who didnt get shipped over to America but whos ancestors have fought against the oppression of Britannia and ultimately Rome (the Pope) for over 800years. How would the Irish name get passed down, if the Irish parent was the mother. Even then these were primarily yes men and traitors, easily disposed of and replaced. My name is John Orr and im dark ass hell any Orrs on here. Disgusting lies like this are akin to Holocaust Denial, and its no surprise that one of the authors circulating this myth, Michael Hoffman, is in fact an outspoken Holocaust Denier. More than a sense of pride, our names give us the ability to trace our Irish roots through the generations. Black (surname) Black is a surname which can be of either English, Scottish, Irish or French origin. This is a damn sight different than chattel slavery. The english continued to try to extinguish the Irish through starvation, oppression etc in Ireland. There have always been slaves, everywhere, all over the world, just as there has always been war and violence. And this is how blacks ended up with Irish last names. ONeill is perhaps one of the most famous Gaelic surnames worldwide. Many have also used the term to describe Irish immigrants who settled in the West Indies or African countries. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. Not only are the facts part of the story but so is the comparison. Your overt and brazen bigoted comments against the Irish the kind of comments that would instantly be called racist if they were reversed are a perfect example of this playing off the inferior races against each other. If you dont think so then sign over your person to an employer for a while and tell me if that feels like service. Leo Whelan was an acclaimed Irish portrait painter. What I will do is to remind you that GOD gave us all an ability that sets us apart from lower animals and that is the ability to reason, use common sense instead of instinct, as lower animals do. But why are these fanatics so triggered and butthurt about this, why they try to deny this crime so obsessively? Several varied groups of multiracial people have sometimes been referred to as or identified as . Some sources propose that the term is in reference to Spanish soldiers. I have about 3 lines of my family in which this happened.. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives. They were dictators and if they felt it to their advantage theyd sell off members of their own tribe and simply call it their right as ruler. Period. Its meaning varies and such differences are contingent upon time and place. Also, this foolish comparison fails to acknowledge the differences between indentured servitude and real slavery. If this is the case, contrary to what may often be thought (that the term refers to an Irish person with dark skin, hair, and complexion), the label is actually a reference to said invaders intentions, all those centuries ago. There looks to be much more valuable information available if you search on this form of the name. The numbers and the periods have also been exaggerated to make the act look gross and longer. Apparently its perfectly OK to disparage the Irish but dont make any bigoted remarks that could be interpreted as racist. While you certainly do make some points, you also seem to be confusing a few. that came out of these early times. Still, you probably ask your colleague or friend its meaning, and theyre likely to draw a blank. I am African American and my last name is Mclilly. The Mac prefix translates to the son of and is commonly seen in Irish surnames, as well as Scottish. People, do your google search before you believe nonsense. It doesnt matter how well you claim they were treated nor what advantage you say they had by the color of their skin. 37% of African American men can also trace their paternal ancestors, their Y-DNA, to European men who impregnated an African American female, most probably in the context of slavery. And there, my friends, you have the truth of the matter. I would ask when was the last time a police-person STOPED you just because you looked the part of something bad O or you go to a nice store and your treated as if your a thief. The Irish were brought over as indentured servants. To keep it going. Carran A spelling variant of Curran, this Irish surname is an anglicized form of ' Corraidhin' referring to 'descendant of Corraidhin.' The word Corraidhin is derived from 'Corradh' which means 'little spear.' Where are the runaway slave notices posted for Irish slaves (as there were for black slaves)? By calling yourself African-American you are still claiming to come from two so-called white men. The Irish and Scots-Irish did indeed own slaves in America and many of their emancipated slaves took their surname. I know for some sorry isnt enough and I agree .However Im more concerned with my family that was shackled, bound, branded raped, sold. And so white planters were secured in their thinking that slaves were disposable because they could easily be created. This is very informative. Protestant landholders? The O or preceding a second name means the grandson of or descendant of and is a common feat in Irish surnames. Jesus was born in the mid east, why do people believe that his hair is blond and straight, and have white skin, even hanging on the walls of black people, along with Martin Luther King, Malcolm x, John Kennedy. Dougherty Irish. I am a Kyle from Scotland I am scotch-Irish they were indentured servants and free men. However, let me respond. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. The most prominent O'Conors were the Connacht clan of O'Conor . In part, bigotry came into play in order to ease the conciseness of individuals who partook of the benefits of slavery. At the time the Irish were indentured or enslaved or some similar term, the Irish were not yet categorized as white but as just Irish. Read How the Irish became white. Then also read The Invention of the White Race., Good information and horrible pass but good to know and tell others about it, This is absolutely fascinating. I have heard of some of the stories of the Irish slave trade; however, the black slaves in American took their last names from their masters; who usually had Scottish, Irish, or English last names. Racism was a mischaracterization of that content. Many Irish were American slaveholders, some had even once been indentured servants at one time and after serving their indentured term went on to own a slave or two or several. Ryan Fitzpatrick, NFL quarterback, was named the fifth smartest athlete in sports by Sporting News in 2010. The most famous OFarrell is actress Bernadette OFarrell. Not Wikipedia, or self proclaimed historians with B.S. The byword "African-American" was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black "leaders" a Jesse Jackson. Today, the island is made up of the Republic of Ireland (an independent country) and Northern Ireland (a part of the United Kingdom). Notable Lyons include Australian politician Joseph Lyons and actor David Lyons. However, conflating the Scot-Irish with those who were the predominant focal point of British intolerance: Irish-Catholics (to include any and all Presbyterians and Dissenters among them however small a minority), as the focus of this article however factual is misdirected just as well. https://www.houseofnames.com/dudley-family-crest, Originally, this was a surname coming from Dudley in Worcestershire, England. One generation after another. In June 2020, Darker Still Spirits . According to Antonio Moore in his Huffington Post article, there are more African American men incarcerated in the U.S. than the total prison populations in India, Argentina, Canada, Lebanon, Japan, Germany, Finland, Israel and England combined. There are only 19 million African American males in the United States, collectively these countries represent over 1.6 billion people. Instead of using the word slaves, they were paid $per head and this made their enslavement different from that of blacks,so they became Indentured servants so were..the Asians mostly Indians..all the Mcdonald McCain McCoy all the Mc are Scottish ..to increased the whites population they send debtors ,who couldnt pay what they owe, and repeat criminals , the later date up to 1918 children were removed from orphanages from all across England. You dont have to deny the history of one peoples suffering to expose that of the other. Ive seen the pictures of long ago. 2. As for how, I insist on the qualifier some, of the Blacks got their last names, I think this may just be embellished truth. Lets recall the words of Dr. King: .Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last! . It is striking, though, how this tale is very similar to the ancient Irish legend of the Milesians who settled in Ireland having traveled from Spain. Maybe its time we stop fighting with each other and start learning from each other? @wolfsilveroak I suggest you re-read the book. Variant form (s) O'Conor, Connor, Conor. Sharing in everyday culture and identity, as well as ancestry, human presence on the Emerald Isle dates back some 12,500 years, according to archaeological studies. Unless you dont feel theres any systematic oppression, which if you take some time studying the oppression of Catholics in Ireland youd understand. I am mixed with other things but my maiden name is McClure. Personally, I am offended not by the story and the facts, but by the dishonest comparison. There is much debate over the original meaning of the term black Irish. It is unlikely that the exact origin of the term will ever be known and it is also likely that it has had a number of different iterations, depending on the historical context. I assumed it had transferred from plantation owner to slave but instead it seems like it transferred from Irish slave to African slave. Bear in mind black African slaves had the stigma of being likened to animals, mentally backwards and being treated as savage- Which was part of the propaganda system to justify black Africans being enslaved. .History appeared to have been a bit unfair to the Irish, in terms of slavery. https://sudbury.ma.us/services/news_story.asp?id=259, Im Dutch and this is only the second time Ive read about this in my life.. And of course, if youre starving, and there are no jobs anywhere, and theres no healthcarewell, what difference does it make if youre not enslaved? And dont realise you are all from the one race- the human race. There is an ancient fable that Wulfricus Niger, otherwise . .Ireland Scotland Wales ..even babies. Scot-Irish synonymous with Ulster Scots of partitioned Ireland not natives of Ireland in the recent sense of this discussion. But it wasnt until January 1, 1863 that Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. British politician, writer, and broadcaster Bryan Magee is one of the most well-known Magees. My last name is Shanks n I just learned from my dad that iam part Irish. Please stop, bad mouthing people, that sacrifice their time to look through many books to put stories together in order to bring us something new. The Table shown here gives a listing of the 100 most commonly names found in Ireland and their meanings. There were school busses, city busses in which I stood my ground my grandmother let me be she was not of color ,but she wasnt white nor racist.. Lynch 18. She has travelled Europe, Africa, America, Asia and Australia and still claims that wanderlust tempts her daily. Famous McCarthys include Pulitzer Prize-winning American novelist Cormac McCarthy and actress Melissa McCarthy. The Anglo-Saxon offspring he openly acknowledged. Though we dont want that ugly past to be forgotten, rewritten or soften to make Whites feel better about them-selves, the issues we worry about are those we have to deal with currently. The bad words Jamaicans curse originated from Ireland. Thus, Black people dont have anything of value for the most part. But this should not turn into a contest of who had it worst. It would be the same with people. Yeah, well done Harrison, first bit I read about James IIs proclamation 8 years before he was even born cracked me up! African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). How dare you compare 100,000 indentured servants and criminals to the kidnapping of 12.5 million people? They should be and should have been more like the Cajuns and quit they need to stop trying to corrupt the Cajuns. It's a playful invitation to receive a kiss from someone who identifies as Irish or who is . Physical race traits such as skin color were used much later as a justification for slavery, not a motivation to start it. When a White indentured servant or slave walked away or escaped his master or owner, he or she could go just about any place they choose and live their lives as free White people. Unlike African slavery ,the Irishs story was not widely publicised. If youre essentially dying a slow death, it might as well be slavery. No last names are listed as none were given. When such a small society is reduced in such a short time by nearly half (during the famine) theres a whole host of socio-phycological problems that ensue, one youll be familiar with we often make light of now a days when it comes to The Irish is: alcoholism, but also extreme poverty, broken families, etc, which Im sure you can relate with as a member of the African American community in the United States am I right? Did they have a say in being sold off to a new master? However, Black slaves were oppressed intellectually, religiously and physically if they attempted to escape or did anything wrong. Copyright 2023 Irish Studio LLC All rights reserved. Who were you responding to? Im curious to know how/why the Irish slaves were able to keep their Irish last names?Traditionally slaves had to take on their owners last name. When the KKK did not get enough traction in the south in the early part of the 20th century they moved North and preyed upon the Irish and Catholic immigrant. Chances are, you can find her drinking coffee in some hidden gem cafe in Dublin, planning her next big trip. If you look at census lists or the property lists of white planters, you will see that their human property were only given first names. Blacks participated and also were complacent in the slave trades. 5,377 families had this name and they were mainly based in County Cork, Kerry, and neighbouring counties. He said a freed man works for no man. Walsh 5. I have noticed since I was very young that a full one-third or more (approximately) of mixed race couples I see there will be a black male and a red headed white female. Everyone knows a mulatto slave is more than a pure irish slave or pure African slave!!!!!! It generally refers to racial, ethnic or cultural roots. King is one of the most famous people with this surname. The likelihood, if you are Irish, or of African descent to be involved with any of this is smaller than you think. Ryan is a popular surname in County Tipperary. The word 'Cearmaid' comes from Old Irish and is probably a combination of 'ciar' (black) and 'madra' (dog), thus meaning a 'black dog.' 23. No, most were poor and fought because their homeland was invaded, and not for some big ideological reason. As most of the slave owners were of Anglo-Celtic descent, these are the names that the African-Americans were saddled with. My grandmother was an indentured servant who came over here from Ireland to work with an English family later on my grandfather saw her or met her and decided to purchase her freedom from that English family so she so she was actually a slave / indentured servant herself, I was under the impressionthat the Irish came to America as indenture slaves. Erm, just a thought, but most Irish of the day would have had some knowledge of English, or been fluent. There is a very large difference between the two terms and are often conflated. Im getting pretty sick of people (of all races) whitewashing the oppression of the Irish from history because it doesnt fit with the white skin = oppressors, everyone else = victims narrative. Early Origins of the Black family. Regardless of the disputable facts of this particular article; Whites have been/are subjected to same level of cruel slavery as well. Oh, and by the way, my Irish ancestors fought for the North at Gettysburg, for three hundred dollars and a ticket out of Ireland. When enslaving whites/Christians became illegal in the U.S., the newly released white indentured servants became crackers/overseers and many became slave owners themselves. The Irish are Iber-ish (Hebrew man) Wants take a guess on my choice of colors ; Brown, White, Blue, and Black . Examples of famous Stewarts include actress Kristen Stewart, actor Patrick Stewart, and musician Rod Stewart, among many others. Indeed this criminalisation of the poor continues into the 21st century. Surname Origin: Irish Alternate Surname Spellings: O'SULLIVAN, OSULLIVAN The most Kelley families were found in USA in 1880. As far as calling them slaves for working while serving their sentence (BS). This is not a racial issue; it is humanitarian issue! Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. However, Ireland considers itself a dual speaking country, so visitors can expect to see both English and Irish on public service signs and announcements. The Scots Irish, also known as Scotch Irish (especially in USA) or Ulster Scots (especially in Northern Ireland), are an ethnic group found in the province of Ulster in the north of Ireland Genealogy. I just know that it opens a lot of questions as to how groups behave based on class status. What happened to 6 million of them? They got to keep their last names because they were easy to pronounce.. Its common sense guys. They are the dregs of the white race. It was written in the year 916 A.D. that the lord of Aidhne, Tigherneach Ua Cleirigh, died in County Galway. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was. No one forced them to commit a crime. The more I think about this article, the sadder I become knowing that most of you believe its lies. The Normans were invited into Ireland by Dermot McMurrough and were led by the famous Strongbow. I never heard of this before, yes, of course, Ive heard of the indentured servant history, but not the actual brutal enslavement of the Irish people. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the masters free workforce. There is little evidence to support this theory and it is unlikely that any significant number of Spanish soldiers would have survived long in the war-torn place that was 16th century Ireland. Unlike Africans, Irish indentured servants could buy their way out of slavery. The Celts arrived on the island about the year 500 B.C. African slaves were very expensive, slave trade controlled by Spain/Portugal/Netherlands, all enemies of Cromwell so he created another supply line. There is a prevailing debate amongst the commentators that leaves me with strong feelings of indignation. Another was the prevailing feeling among the Southern States that they were not being representing and that their votes didnt count. Interesting. good reply. (skip gates, wanda sykes, all have traced their roots to irish women who paired up with african men.). In the 1940s what were the Jews in Germany? THEY WERE INDENTURED SERVANTS. Well, invasion, land stealing and slaughter have a good 800 year history in Ireland. From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English,Welsh, Scottish, Black, White, or any other race or colour, you just needed to be POOR. It had to do with language. If you didnt have money you had nothing. On December 21, 1988 Jesse Jackson and a group of other black leaders officialy declared their support for the term African American. and yes we did get it hard from the british in our own homeland of ireland occuppied for years 800 years of rape murder and torture. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. They were INDENTURED SERVANTS as were the very first Africans brought to the colonies that became the USA which meant 1) they entered a voluntary agreement to exchange their time for passage to the USA or for some type of apprenticeship or training, 2) after a period of time their SERVICE ended usually about 7 years. Race was judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Children sent north. But even also his own people as a mere result of the kind of things that happen when the wicked are in rule? Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. At this point eyes are cast around for new slaves, from somewhere that isnt yet a taboo source. Actor, director, and screenwriter Scott Foley is the most famous person by the name Foley. the ira was formed so we could have more rights. Of which you can incarnate into any body next time around. I dont know why white people are in such a hurry to prove theyre oppressed but this just isnt true. Stop with this damn lie. Kerry Meaning: "black-haired" "dark-haired" "dark-haired clan" Variations: Keri, Kerri, Kari, Carrie, Cerise, Cherise, Cherri, Cherry Like the Vikings, they shared similar dark intentions to rule the country, the native Irish people, and colonise the land. I also have enslaved Africans in my lineage who have an Irish surname. Stick to your own life, quit looking for your next cause celeb. It started with a video of the Black Irish of Montserrat. Brannon is my maiden name and it is an Irish name. There are many variants of the name such as. Many families, however, integrated into Gaelic society and changed their Norman name to Gaelic and then Anglo equivalents: the Powers, the Fitzpatricks, Fitzgeralds, Devereux, Redmonds.



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